Hacking: What next??!

[Hungry Horace]

another set of palette data found.

It starts at $9AD8 technically, but most useable values are at $9ADB (which is where the code links to i think)

The first four values are for an Illusion, and the values afterwards get used for the Summon creatures, but appear to be re-used for other monsters (dragons, beholders etc) so there must be other tables which tell the game "when this creature reaches level X, use colour combination Y"

Data as follows;

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00000708 0003040E 0008040E 0005060E
00090A0B 00090C0B 000A0B0D 000B0D0E
000C0B0D 00020304 0008040D 0005060D
00070804 0007080D

[Hungry Horace]

at $9A34,  8 bytes.... determine which colour map to use for each change with the Summon creatures 

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00 01 02 03 04 05 ...

no idea where i might find the data for the other monsters though.... (pretty sure i can find it with time, even if i have to do it the hard way!)


edit:

untested, but i suspect these are the other locations....

$9F20 … crabs
$A1AC … beholder
$A3A6 .. Dragons
$A52E .. Behemoth

(somewhere the 'level change' values must be there too!)

[MadMunky]

Nice one Horace and excellent timing

[Hungry Horace]

looks like the locations for each different versions (BW SPS 439/1927 , BW SPS 102 and BEXT SPSP43) are these:

               439      102        bext
palettes:   $9AD8   $9B8E   $A8EE
  summon: $9A34   $9AEA   $A84A      
beholder:    $9E28   $9EDE   $AC1E
behemoth:   $A1AA   $A260   $AFc2
    crab:    $9B9C   $9C52   $A9B4
  dragon:    $A022   $A0D8   $AE3A

[Hungry Horace]

more extended levels data.... the colours of the Entropy / Chaos Guardians:


@ $AFCA in the BEXT binary

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00 02 05 06 00 05 06 0D 00 09 0A 0B 00 0A 0B 0D 00 07 08 04 00 08 04 0D 00 09 0C 0B 00 0C 0B 0D

There's a 8 bytes of data before it, that looks like more palette stuff, but it could be anything.

[MadMunky]

Horace any chance you can see if you can find the palettes for the amour?

[Hungry Horace]

i assume you mean the palette used by the armour being worn, on the characters (i.e. in the 3D view) rater than the actual armour object held in people's pockets?

shouldnt be too difficult now i know the format/style.


Been trying to establish other items for possible edits. I'd like to know how it determines that the traders and zendick are positioned in the centre of the floor rather than in one of the 4 edge spaces, but my suspicion is that this will be hard-coded (which doesnt mean it cant be changed, it just wont suit "normal" editing)

Similarly, I want to establsh the "level offset" at which each monster starts changing colour as they go up a level...


Thoughts /requests on possible areas for exploration are welcome.

[MadMunky]

i assume you mean the palette used by the armour being worn, on the characters (i.e. in the 3D view) rater than the actual armour object held in people's pockets?

shouldnt be too difficult now i know the format/style.

Correct

Been trying to establish other items for possible edits. I'd like to know how it determines that the traders and zendick are positioned in the centre of the floor rather than in one of the 4 edge spaces, but my suspicion is that this will be hard-coded (which doesnt mean it cant be changed, it just wont suit "normal" editing)

I believe your right, though im not sure where to find this but ill have a look

[MadMunky]

looks like the locations for each different versions (BW SPS 439/1927 , BW SPS 102 and BEXT SPSP43) are these:

               439      102        bext
palettes:   $9AD8   $9B8E   $A8EE
  summon: $9A34   $9AEA   $A84A      
beholder:    $9E28   $9EDE   $AC1E
behemoth:   $A1AA   $A260   $AFc2
    crab:    $9B9C   $9C52   $A9B4
  dragon:    $A022   $A0D8   $AE3A

Horace can you post the palette line for summons so I can check I have the right values, also what's the different 439/102? Different disks?

I think I've accidentally found the table on how the summons are put together

[Hungry Horace]

the 102/439/1927  numbers refer to the SPS preservation disks:

http://www.softpres.org/

the game binary on 102 seems to be slightly different and an earlier version, so i prefer to work from the 439 version... the 1927 version has only a small difference in a few addresses but seems mostly the same.

the summons palette i posted above?

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00000708 0003040E 0008040E 0005060E
00090A0B 00090C0B 000A0B0D 000B0D0E
000C0B0D 00020304 0008040D 0005060D
00070804 0007080D

i know this is the right set, because 00 00 07 08 is black, black, blue, blue, as used by the Illusion versions

Also my editor uses these to create its graphics set!!


No luck on the  armour palettes (so far) i'm sorry to say...

[MadMunky]

Thanks Horace,

If you add 189 Bytes to the Summon table you get the details of how the summon is put together

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20 00 67 0c 98 32 20 00 9a 32 20 01 60 00 0f 80
4e 75 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 15 11 0d 0c fe 00
2e 26 1f 1a 15 10 00 01 80 01 14 14 10 10 10 0b
0c 0c 0a 0b 0b 08 09 f9

09 f9 = Left Arm X/Y

I believe they are for different distances and also the sprite height, it has some strange results messing around with the data as it looks like they use some kind of calculation to work out the positioning and playing around here can mess it up.

[MadMunky]

Sorry Horace but any chance of a new dump from your editor of clean data or if you can post up the palettes Im having issues finding them

[Hungry Horace]

Hi mate,

I've attached a clean export for you... i think these are right, but i kind of rushed adding the export function to the editor to do this, so they are un-checked!!  (they will be the final 9 files created)

[MadMunky]

Cheers Horace

[MadMunky]

Horace: looks like all your colour/palette files are wrong