I found it easy to contact (email) Francois and he seemed very happy when I asked about using amospro related stuff (like the amospro inline help function texts and the amospro disks) on amigacoding.com. So I don't think he'll mind if AMOSPro was used in AmiKit or an addon to it.
@Spellcoder,
Great news!
BTW, if you write again to François, can you tell him, that a French translation will be soon available for AmosPro?
Maybe he'll be intersted to know that Amos French scene is still active!
And you can give my email if he wants more information (tarzin at aliceadsl point fr)
Who is writing to Jan ??
Quote from: Tarzin on December 09, 2008, 05:53:07 AM
@Spellcoder,
Great news!
BTW, if you write again to François, can you tell him, that a French translation will be soon available for AmosPro?
Maybe he'll be intersted to know that Amos French scene is still active!
And you can give my email if he wants more information (tarzin at aliceadsl point fr)
Who is writing to Jan ??
I'll mention it. What exactly are you translating? The editor? Or also the inline help text?
I would like it if someone made a programmers addon with stuff like AMOSPro, ASMOne and a C compiler for Amikit.
Maybe we first would need to come up with a plan what such package would need (at least in case of AMOS) before suggesting it.
But let's focus here on what we would need/like to see in a addon that would give us AMOSPro for Amikit.
For example I would like:
- AMOSPro V2.0 + latest patches by Pietro (printer commands fix, amiga-a switcher update if I recall correctly)
- which extensions?
- APME (configuration selector), with these configurations
- vanilla AMOS without extensions
- a config with the best extensions
- custom config for the user
- a PAL and NTSC version of each config
- fix typo's, not working links and accidently split articles in the AMOS helpfile (see helpfile bugs in http://www.amigacoding.com/index.php/AMOS:Bugs)
- all content from the disks that came with AMOSPro
- some very good extra examples, but which don't require many MB's
- example on using bsdsocket.library (there is one on Aminet), so we can create network games in AMOSPro
Actually a AMOSPro with some updated stuff (helpfile, examples, single-download with hd-installer) might be very nice to make first and then have it turned into an addon for Amikit later.
This is also a lot less ambitious than any Phoenix project because it's just combining existing content and knowledge to create a more easy to install/use version of AMOSPro.
Firstly, happy new year!
I recenlty wrote to François Lionet who was very surprised to learn that an Amos community was still alive and so active!
I've interviewed him and document will be available in french magazine, Amiga Power and on my personnal Web Site.
QuoteWhat exactly are you translating? The editor?
Yes, Editor is 90% done.
I've also started to translate all internal messages (editor message, error message, etc...)
QuoteOr also the inline help text
No, too much work!
I've also tried to change editor's colors (blue is not really beautiful) but I didn't manage to change requester colors which are still in blue, any idea? (hope that I'll don't have to repack each bank ressource!)
QuoteFor example I would like:
AMOSPro V2.0 + latest patches by Pietro (printer commands fix, amiga-a switcher update if I recall correctly)
Great idea!
I've also asked François about this idea. I'll give you his opinion as soon as possible.
Packing Amos in an updated version could be a very interesting idea and can interest people who don't want to look after each patch, doc, etc...
QuoteYou're in a unique position.
Why ? Because I'm directly in contact with him?
QuoteI personally think Francios has lost his love for AMOS & the Amiga otherwise he would have made an AGA version which we've all been waiting for.
Quiz him on that subject please.
Done, I sent back my questions yesterday evening and added your question. (I've asked about 15 question from past to present)
I'll keep you informed.
You seem to be in anger?
QuoteHe could still make a pretty penny for his work charging a fee to download.
What do you mean with this?
BTW he told me that Amos/Amos Pro can be freely provided on any website or any package (without profit of course)
ask for AMOS-Pro/Compiler source-code please!
Quote from: Tarzin on January 07, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
Firstly, happy new year!
I recenlty wrote to François Lionet who was very surprised to learn that an Amos community was still alive and so active!
I've interviewed him and document will be available in french magazine, Amiga Power and on my personnal Web Site.
lol, nice you beat me to it :o. Two weeks ago I started writing down some questions I had in my mind for Francois.
I was still trying to make up my mind whether I should interview him or just ask for some facts I was curious about.
(partly for the AmigaCoding WIKI, because it still lacks a nice introduction/info page on AMOS and some nice factual info would be nice for it)
And I was also thinking about asking if he would consider releasing the AMOSPro source like he did with AMOS.
If he would agree the next step would be to ask Pietro if he is willing to release the source to his patches.
Maybe the AMOSPro source weren't released because Pietro had some concern we might get different
versions (forks) which were incompatible (seem to recall such a discussion on the amos-list).
Or maybe some third party software was used which is nessecary to get AMOSPro to work?
I'll ask Francois.
Quote from: Tarzin on January 07, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
QuoteWhat exactly are you translating? The editor?
Yes, Editor is 90% done.
I've also started to translate all internal messages (editor message, error message, etc...)
Ah nice :) But I figure you have told him yourself now, since you mailed/interviewed him?
Quote from: Tarzin on January 07, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
I've also tried to change editor's colors (blue is not really beautiful) but I didn't manage to change requester colors which are still in blue, any idea? (hope that I'll don't have to repack each bank ressource!)
Sorry, don't know.
Quote from: Tarzin on January 07, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
QuoteFor example I would like:
AMOSPro V2.0 + latest patches by Pietro (printer commands fix, amiga-a switcher update if I recall correctly)
Great idea!
I've also asked François about this idea. I'll give you his opinion as soon as possible.
Packing Amos in an updated version could be a very interesting idea and can interest people who don't want to look after each patch, doc, etc...
I think he'll be positive about it. He sounded enthusiastic in his mails about having any AMOS related stuff available on internet. (including original disks)
p.s.: Would you allow me to use the interview on http://www.amigacoding.com ?
Quote from: Overclocked on January 07, 2009, 01:23:49 PM
He's like a one hit wonder never capable of duplicating virgin success.
I think it's quite remarkable to make such a product for a large part (most coding) on your own.
Never capable sounds like you regard him as unfit...? As in he's good... But I dislike him for being not twice as good? :P
Quote from: Overclocked on January 07, 2009, 01:23:49 PM
Im sure i speak for everyone when i say we want a dedicated AGA version of AMOS Pro.
I would, yes.
Quote from: Overclocked on January 07, 2009, 01:23:49 PM
He could still make a pretty penny for his work charging a fee to download.
Theres enough of us AMIGA lovers and bedroom programmers still out there.
maybe, maybe not. Would you take the risk and work on an AGA version a whole year?
Even if it means you have to spend every night working on it (=no time for wife) or
make AMOS a dayjob again (would that pay the bills?).
I mailed the creator of Croak2 (a frogger clone) once. His game was shareware and featured
on some Amiga magazines coverdisk. If I recall correctly he told me that only one person registered.
(well two after I did :P)
Quoteask for AMOS-Pro/Compiler source-code please!
I'll ask him, no problem but may be there're still copyrights.
QuoteTwo weeks ago I started writing down some questions I had in my mind for Francois.
Send me your questions, I'll compare with mine and ask them if necessary. Quickly if possible because interview should be sent to magazine for the next week. Mail me directly at "tarzin at aliceadsl point fr"
QuoteMaybe the AMOSPro source weren't released because Pietro had some concern we might get different
versions (forks) which were incompatible (seem to recall such a discussion on the amos-list).
Or maybe some third party software was used which is nessecary to get AMOSPro to work?
I'll ask Francois.
Yes, don't hesitate to ask him. He'll be pleased to see that there's still a lot of interest for Amos ;)
QuoteAh nice But I figure you have told him yourself now, since you mailed/interviewed him?
Yes, I told him.
QuoteI think he'll be positive about it. He sounded enthusiastic in his mails about having any AMOS related stuff available on internet. (including original disks)
He told me that he is enthusiastic à 200%
He sent me his interview yesterday evening. I've read it, and it's very interesting.
Question: Why did you never released a specific version of Amos Pro for Amiga AGA?
FL -> Because
my editor didn't want it (Amiga sells were insufficient and PCs were growing up on market)
Quotep.s.: Would you allow me to use the interview on http://www.amigacoding.com ?
Of course!
I'll try to translate it in english but somebody will have to correct it, my english is really not perfect! ::)
Quote
Quote
Two weeks ago I started writing down some questions I had in my mind for Francois.
Send me your questions, I'll compare with mine and ask them if necessary. Quickly if possible because interview should be sent to magazine for the next week. Mail me directly at "tarzin at aliceadsl point fr"
I've had already finished up the draft I had yesterday and send it.
Hopefully he'll answer, and if you want I can send it to you and maybe we could combine the interviews.
I suspect though he'll answer me in English :P.
Quote
QuoteI think he'll be positive about it. He sounded enthusiastic in his mails about having any AMOS related stuff available on internet. (including original disks)
He told me that he is enthusiastic à 200%
He sent me his interview yesterday evening. I've read it, and it's very interesting.
Great, I can't wait to read it :D.
Quote
Question: Why did you never released a specific version of Amos Pro for Amiga AGA?
FL -> Because my editor didn't want it (Amiga sells were insufficient and PCs were growing up on market)
editor? do you mean publisher? Maybe he means Europress was interested in releasing an update?
(maybe they didn't want to take the risk, since they would need to recoup the cost of pr,advertising,support etc)
Quote
Quotep.s.: Would you allow me to use the interview on http://www.amigacoding.com ?
Of course!
I'll try to translate it in english but somebody will have to correct it, my english is really not perfect! ::)
If you want I'll help. Although I can barely read French I could read the English text and
make suggestions for better translations. Then you can check if my suggestions still fit what
Francois said and whether the suggestions would improve the translation.
Quote from: Overclocked on January 09, 2009, 11:42:02 AM
What a cop out sounds like Mr Francios was only interested in profit just like his editor.
no matter who wrote it, AMOS was a commercial product like any other. No profit, no development. I dont see this as a "cop out" at all... we all have to make money to live, and AMOS obviously wasnt a "hobby" project for Francois, but a full-time job like any other.
Wow, it's cool that we can ask Francois about AMOS :)
I agree, AMOS was a work-related project and releasing an AGA version against Europress' wishes may have gotten him into a legal battle (despite having written the software).
Regards,
Lonewolf10
Hello,
Sorry for this long delay without any news.
François Lionet's interview is online! (French only sorry)
No time for the moment for an english translation
http://www.amifrance.hw.tc/
The article via Google Translator (http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftarzin.free.fr%2Famos1.html&sl=fr&tl=en&history_state0=).
Thanks for doing the interview, Tarzin.
No Problem SamuraiCrow.
Translation is not perfect but still readable. May be somebody can correct it?
Article can be published everywhere if no profit are done with it (just name original source please)
I've also found an old interview of François published in french Magazine "Amiga News" in Januray 1990 (but it's a scanned picture).
I'll publish it as soon as possible.
Have a nice day!