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Title: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 02 May, 2010, 06:36 PM
hi
i wanted to run my harddisk from amiga with winuae
i have connected to my pc a hd which i was using in my amiga and i have a problem bios is ok with disk but when i want to run compyter it freezes when it should run my windows
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: FOL on 02 May, 2010, 06:40 PM
Quote from: karol300993 on 02 May, 2010, 06:36 PM
hi
i wanted to run my harddisk from amiga with winuae
i have connected to my pc a hd which i was using in my amiga and i have a problem bios is ok with disk but when i want to run compyter it freezes when it should run my windows


Its proberly conflicting.

We need more info, is it a 2.5" drive?
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: Hungry Horace on 02 May, 2010, 07:31 PM
could be as simple as having both the PC and the Amiga drive set to 'master' on the IDE, switch the jumper on the amiga one over to 'slave'
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: FOL on 02 May, 2010, 11:12 PM
Quote from: Hungry Horace on 02 May, 2010, 07:31 PM
could be as simple as having both the PC and the Amiga drive set to 'master' on the IDE, switch the jumper on the amiga one over to 'slave'

Hence my question, ;).
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 03 May, 2010, 09:22 AM
more info:
its 3,5"
we was setting jumper on all positions about 5 times with random settings in bios
in bios i have setted my hd with windows to boot first but after the bios check devices it should boot my xp but its only"_" blinking in top left side of screen and nothing happens
diskis connected by ide port its segate 512 or 40 mb (we dont know because its not signed on it and no one remeber it)
disk is displayed in bios so i think it works and its rotating inside
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: EmuChicken on 03 May, 2010, 11:48 AM
OOkkkkk ...

If its IDE and its not finding the drive within the bios (only flashing trying to detect it) then its not plugged in correctly, theres no power to it, or its set wrongly (slave / master)

1/ make sure the cable is connected correctly, if IDE, the red wire should point towards the POWER connector on the hard drive
2/ verify theres power to it
3/ check the master drive (usually the FIRST hard drive. bootable pc drive... windows etc) has the IDE plug from the CENTER of the IDE cable, (NOT the end- The SLAVE drive should connect to the very end of the cable) ...  eg >     
`Motherboard---------------------Master----Slave`
Note the length of the IDE cable from the motherboard to the Master is longer than from the master to the slave.
4/ check the second drive is set to slave- if you still have problems, take out the jumper to enable "cable select" which I think means it trys to automatically detect which one is it.
5/ If theres no luck, connect the Hard drive to the motherboard using another cable (there should be 2 IDE cables, if not, plug another in!)-  per mobo, theres usually 2 sets of cables, each capable of controlling two hard drives each
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 03 May, 2010, 12:48 PM
what do u mean red cable i yhave 2 cables 1 is ide and second is the power the same as the cd rom has
i will try it with the jumpers on other disks
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: Hungry Horace on 03 May, 2010, 01:10 PM
he means the red strip down the edge of the main IDE cable

see the top / right-hand side here:

(https://www.ultimateamiga.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkeizercomputerannex.com%2Fstore%2Fimages%2FIDE_cable2.jpg&hash=8b0172e5d73c875d1b024c2c68aab9f34abba73b)

you should have 2 of these. One goes to the PC HD and the other to the CD/DVD drive?

If so, disconnect the CD/DVD drive, and connect the amiga HD in its place.
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 03 May, 2010, 04:54 PM
i must take more time for it i will try with other pc maybe
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: Anemos on 03 May, 2010, 06:51 PM
Dunno if is impossible this ,coz Amiga HD is different format partition as PC maybe this conflict the boot looking the HD as bad.
Another choice is : put this HD on any USB case for 3.5" HD external, and later you can found this on WINUAE as Amiga HD.
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 03 May, 2010, 07:13 PM
"Another choice is : put this HD on any USB case for 3.5" HD external, and later you can found this on WINUAE as Amigthat is what i'm going to do i wnat to run that disk with winuae but i cant boot my windows when this disk is connected my pc do want even to run grub from special bootable cd
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: Anemos on 03 May, 2010, 07:56 PM
Similar to like this i mean http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1945393&CatId=1204
External USB case for IDE 3.5" HD

Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: EmuChicken on 05 May, 2010, 01:24 AM
@ HH, thanks for that,  ;)
There will be a thin "coloured" strip down the end on one side of that IDE cable, that needs to face the power (in the case of a 3.5" HD)

.... Its also up to you on how much cash you wanna use....  If you have a 3.5" Hard drive, and a computer, you should be able to do it as it is...

It won't disrupt the boot if its plugged in correctly as a slave, but you can change the boot priority using the BIOS (hit DELETE or something on the keyboard JUST AS it turns on)

-  Dont be scared! Just do it!  Do it NOW!
...  There is nothing to lose!
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 05 May, 2010, 09:04 AM
problem is when i set to the slave the bios is checking devices nut then do not want to boot xp and special boot cd
i have set xp first bootable master disk and i see only "_" but my dad is thinking about buying that hd case for usb
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: EmuChicken on 05 May, 2010, 10:32 AM
so the bios is trying to find the hard drive with the "_" ... when it searches for the devices ?

Then it has nothing to do with windows, you need to check BOTH the jumpers for the secondary (Amiga one) AND the primary one so that the drivers are either set as MASTER (second drive hooked to the cable) and SLAVE (last on cable) - OR Master and "Cable select"

Try also removing the main hard drive, plugging it up, and check where it throws the amiga drive in the bios check.  -  It COULD be a dodgy drive
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 05 May, 2010, 01:41 PM
its like that:
1 i run my pc and it shows  the moyher board logo
2 it checks dvices and boots
3it should run my wondows but its only "_" blinking
4nothing is happening and i can only turn off computer with power button ctrl+alt+del is not reseting pc
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: Anemos on 05 May, 2010, 01:51 PM
try to change the flat ribbon cable of that HD.
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 05 May, 2010, 03:27 PM
problem is that the cable has a cable key it dont matches so we cuted it but we dont want to destroy the entire cable
(https://www.ultimateamiga.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.howstuffworks.com%2Fgif%2Fide-ribbon.jpg&hash=69982268a9a7dbdb306354a85538cd1fd90bb9d1)
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: Anemos on 05 May, 2010, 03:37 PM
have you another like this cable to test?? only one? 
maybe is fault this cable.
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 05 May, 2010, 04:18 PM
im waiting for him to buy that usb case
we didnte even try second time to do it because my dad is lazy
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: EmuChicken on 06 May, 2010, 07:36 AM
wtf?  The "Cable Key" is just a bit of plastic so you make sure that its plugged into the device the correct way up..

... dont listen to your "dad"- they dont know shit, just get off yer ass and do what I said in the small guide I wrote  :-*
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 06 May, 2010, 03:00 PM
oook...okkkey
:)


i did everything exact like in ur tutorial
im waiting for him to buy usb case i will tell u result if it happenes in this millenium :D
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: EmuChicken on 06 May, 2010, 04:21 PM
 :-\  *sigh*

has karol300993 actually read through and followed anything what I said?

...  times like these....   :'(


.... gonna go shower then jack off to some pron.  Ngiht
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: FOL on 07 May, 2010, 02:07 PM
easier to just stick on the secondary channel, then no chance of this blinking crap. Thats all I do with mine, works fine.
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 07 May, 2010, 02:59 PM
i have 1 question will it work with win uae because i want to use data from that disk some movies and others?
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: FOL on 07 May, 2010, 03:23 PM
Quote from: karol300993 on 07 May, 2010, 02:59 PM
i have 1 question will it work with win uae because i want to use data from that disk some movies and others?

Yes, you just use the "add harddrive" option in WinUAE.
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 08 May, 2010, 01:00 PM
okey:)
i know how to do it because o worked with some hd archives and added pc disk:)
i didnt know will taht work
:)
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: EmuChicken on 09 May, 2010, 06:54 AM
...   :-\
Usually I like to help people with problems ...  But am I the only person losing interest in posting in this thread?  :'(

karol30093:  Stop asking questions, and get the Hard drive working in the computer first!   We can think about Winuae AFTER the HD is recognised by the PC! ;/
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: karol300993 on 09 May, 2010, 03:17 PM
there is no rfres in taht case:)
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: thoshoe on 27 Aug, 2014, 12:45 PM
hi world
im certsain the IDE cable are computer(blue)-----------slave)grey) ---(black) on pc dont know amiga style but i have to figure out that in the future cant be exact but the pc works finenwith that configuration

mvh
thoshoe
Title: Re: amiga hard disk in my pc
Post by: FOL on 31 Aug, 2014, 11:28 AM
Quote from: thoshoe on 27 Aug, 2014, 12:45 PM
hi world
im certsain the IDE cable are computer(blue)-----------slave)grey) ---(black) on pc dont know amiga style but i have to figure out that in the future cant be exact but the pc works finenwith that configuration

mvh
thoshoe

Amiga is the same when using 3.5" cable.
2.5" is smaller cable but still works the same.